Comments on: Ludwig Van Beethoven Bust by Frank Kozik

By: Darryl

Darryl — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:23:51 +0000

(Posted this on the Thought we did’nt notice site )
I saw that silver bust http://www.3dretro.com/newspics/Kozik_Silver_Beethoven.jpg

Looks pretty cool, but the art that it comes with is kinda bad. I googled “Beethoven paintings” and then selected “images”, there is a boat load of images that look just like that magazine cover, just like the logo, and just like the bust.

http://images.google.com/images?q=Beethoven&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi

I guess the real question is who thought of the concept of putting Beethoven together with Alex DeLarge/ Clocowork droog? — that my friends is the 64,000 question.

Don’t fool yourselves, this is not genius or great art, and neither one of the brands can declare ownership over Beethoven or CWO.

By: frank (not rick) kozik

frank (not rick) kozik — Sun, 05 Oct 2008 04:27:07 +0000

I had never jeard of or seen the t shirt design until this person started commenting on blogs recently. This idea was a colaboration btween Dan Springer and myself and was concieved on a thread over at Gigposters back in fall of 2006. I believe Dan has posted the link to the dated thread. After Dan sent me his photoshoped \’sketch\’ I had the idea developed into a series of vinyl and also bronze busts.

his t shirt design does seem to be based on Dan\’s design.

I have not recieved any direct communication over this matter from the person making the claims, if he wants to he can email me direct at

frankkozik@sbcglobal.net and I will put him in contact with my attorney.

Thanks

-Frank K

By: Dan Springer

Dan Springer — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 22:36:13 +0000

And to add… the picture I used and seems you used was for the cover of the December 2006 issue of Gramophone… which was new news when I saw it in November and created the layout… now you claim to have done it in July… but how? The picture (which you obviously used as a source was not even created then… unless you have a time machine I would shut your trap…

http://www.themusicstore.co.za/catalog/images/gramdec2006.jpg

By: Dan Springer

Dan Springer — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 22:26:23 +0000

Hello…

I am Dan Springer and I worked on the concept of this project…

HI came up with this idea spontaneously after toying around with other Photoshop tweaks of Ludwig and shot it over to Frank… I don’t deny that it could have taken place in someone else’s head as well, it is a fairly obvious progression… the part I find extremely odd is that if you take and overlay the Ludwig clothing brand drawing and place it directly on top of the Gramophone magazine cover I used to make the mock up.. you will see that it aligns up perfectly… like it was traced from my Photoshop mock up (I don’t have that original anymore, maybe Frank does… but you can see the source image I used)… I highly doubt that who ever illustrated the Gramophone cover used Ludwig clothing’s crap drawing as the basis for their cover…

see here: http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/7137/ludwigtj1.jpg

So to the makers of Ludwig… I would check yourselves before making accusations… I know for a fact I never saw your design, and now that I overlay your picture ontop of the source image I used to make a photoshop mock up… yours is very much looking like a rip…

cheers…
Dan Springer

By: Steve Brown

Steve Brown — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:36:50 +0000

Hilarious.

Before you start threatening legal action in a public forum, you might want to be sure that:

a) You actually have legal grounds to stand on.
b) You know the name of the person you allegedly contacted.

Also, since you don’t seem to be smart enough to realize this, your trademark doesn’t cover art pieces. The Ludwig Van bust is an art piece. Says it right on the box.

If I was you, I’d worry more about producing a commercially viable clothing line. Seems you have a lot of work to do in that regard.

By: yousuck

yousuck — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 20:09:34 +0000

Really, this bust is already out there and will be sold. You are so completely full of bullshit. Get off your high horse of your shitty little clothing line and do something worthwile. This bust was in development before your trademark, it can be proven and by the time you even got a lawsuit off the ground these will be sold out and you won\’t have a pot to piss in. Did you get permission from the estate of Ludwig von Beethoven for your clothing, how about the estate of Anthony burgess or Stanley Kubrick? I thought not. Now GO AWAY

By: joemama

joemama — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:43:33 +0000

and fyi, “George W. Bush” is Frank Kozik on GP.com

a recent thread on kidrobot: http://forums.kidrobot.com/viewtopic.php?t=117789

By: joemama

joemama — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:41:13 +0000

i believe the concept came to being on a gigposters.com thread in late 2006: http://www.gigposters.com/forums/anything-goes/51238-our-old-friend-ludwig-van.html

By: mifune

mifune — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 00:42:29 +0000

RE: Real Talk.

Sounds like you are pissed about something?

By: Real Talk

Real Talk — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:55:21 +0000

Ludwig the clothing brand isn\’t much really… it seems as Ludwig\’s likeness would be public domain anyway.

Not like it\’s an original concept to begin with.

Strange that you would build a brand off of a name like that, maybe I should start Marilyn clothing and send a cease and desist to The Warhol Foundation or anyone else working with any images or names relating to Marilyn Monroe.

Ludwig clothing is wack and kind of pretentious… like trying too hard to be different by appropriating the name and image of a classical composer.

Wow, so cool you guys must be genius.

Mike Ardelean should stick to bmx too and leave the modelling to someone else…

By: xxcoreyxx

xxcoreyxx — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:43:21 +0000

a bust of beethoven is def
better then those sweatshirts
bape put out they charged $200+ for

By: mike dytri

mike dytri — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:53:59 +0000

DOPE! – you know who i mean!!!!!!!! ( sorry the headline said Rick, and im multitasking – which has proven impossible ) – i don’t know his real name.

By: sean

sean — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:31:37 +0000

Don’t you mean Frank Kozik?

By: mike dytri

mike dytri — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:26:27 +0000

It is very interesting that we( myself personally ) have contacted Rick over a month ago about this matter. We feel it is a direct rip-off of our company logo/brand identity and overall concept, which has been trademarked as of FEB 2007. just check out uspto.gov.

I have heard nothing back.

My suggestion is ( and maybe Rick will be happy about this ) is to buy them as soon as you can, because now i\’m mad, and i am going to have our lawyer start legal proceedings for a C&D on all of these busts.

I\’m not going to go into my personal feelings on what i think of (you) Rick, i\’ll just hand it over to our lawyer to handle, and hopefully we will run into one another sometime.