JAY-Z is the latest to sit down with CNN’s Van Jones to talk everything from President Trump’s “shithole” remarks to his much-publicized marriage to Beyoncé. When asked about the latter, the Jigga Man revealed that the couple had to fight for their love.

The rumors about their rocky marriage first began to circulate in 2014 when leaked surveillance footage from an elevator showed Beyoncé’s sister, Solange Knowles, hitting JAY-Z after the Met Ball.

In 2016, Beyoncé surprise-released her album Lemonade, where she alluded to the fact that JAY-Z had been unfaithful to her over the course of their marriage.

JAY then addressed the situation head on on 4:44‘s title track with the line: “I apologize often womanize/ Took for my child to be born/ See through a woman’s eyes/ Took for these natural twins to believe in miracles/ Took me too long for this song/ I don’t deserve you.”

Going more in depth when pressed by Jones, Hova related: “For us, we chose to fight for our love. For our family. To give our kids a different outcome. To break that cycle for black men and women.” He added, “We were never a celebrity couple — we were a couple that happened to be celebrities. We are real people.”

Watch a majority of the CNN interview in the player above and the Beyoncé clip in the body of this post.

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