Joe Perez, Kanye West’s former designer, recently sat down with the “Cover Story” podcast, which interviews artists and designers behind notable album covers. Perez is a creative director and designer based in Providence, Rhode Island, once the lead art director at DONDA for four years. He has worked on album covers for Kanye, Nicki Minaj, A$AP Rocky, Big Sean, Lil Wayne and many more.

During the recent podcast, Perez dished on how he met Kanye, in addition to working with him, running, G.O.O.D. Music’s Cruel Summer album cover, and his future plans.

Press play underneath to gain insight into Kanye’s design process, as well as the detail that went into previous G.O.O.D. Music album covers.

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